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Two Towers, The: Ugluk (Nathaniel Lees)

Posted by old bluffer 
Mr. Old Bluffer, you still haven't answered my question about giving Ugluk the Baddy Major category. I agree with it for 2 important reasons: 1. It's fairly obvious he could stand up to Saruman if he wanted to and that Saruman is just using his superior intelligence to manipulate Ugluk (as you suggested). 2. If the Witch-King of Angmar is labeled as a Major Baddy in his death in ROTK then surely Ugluk can be rated as such as well.

Also, as for the extra categories that you're unsure about Grab Bag, Exsanguination and Not Quite Dead... do not count as we can both clearly see. As for the other two (explosion and stabbed) you can clearly see Ugluk blowing up the wall (he's the only one without a helmet and get 20 arrows shot into him and survive) and I sincerely doubt he managed to get clear in time. He also didn't go back to the "Orc Infirmary" as Haldir was slain about 5 minutes after Ugluk destroyed the wall. Also I didn't see Aragorn knifing Ugluk due to the scene's difficult lighting but I did see Aragorn having his knife in one hand and then when the scene lit up again it was out of his hand and in between Ugluk's shoulder blades. Thus both of those categories could surely qualify.
Re: Two Towers, The: Ugluk (Nathaniel Lees)
March 06, 2009 02:04PM
OK, Stabbed and Explosion added.
Can't agree about being a Major Baddy I'm afraid. Saruman *created* Ugluk and the rest of the Uruk Hai using his dark magic. Ugluk might have the status of a lord or king amongst the goblinoid races, but to Saruman he was nothing more than a means to an end. If Ugluk had ever given him the slightest cause, Saruman would have snuffed out his life like a bug's, and promoted the next hapless orc minion in line to replace him.

You may have noticed we're pretty cautious about assigning the Major Baddy title to a character. Generally, most films only have one. For an epic like LotR, there are a few more, but not many.
Re: Two Towers, The: Ugluk (Nathaniel Lees)
April 01, 2009 08:20PM
Dang, I still can't seem to locate WHERE this death is?!

I searched youtube (just because I'm too lazy to actually buy the extended) and I went through several Helms Deep Battle videos, as well as the entire movie online [and yes, it was the extended cut], and I still couldn't find it. There was a portion where Gimli slid under an Uruk-Hai but he didn't fall off the wall, he just hit the ground.

I read up the description here again, which states that the death occurs AFTER Eomer arrives. But in all the videos I looked at, every single one, I couldn't locate where it would be? (Mainly because Aragorn, Eomer, Legolas, etc. are all on horseback at this point, and Sam's narration overshadows the battle. The Uruk Hai flee, but not because of their fallen leader, but because Gandalf arrives, and then they're swept away in the forest but the Ents). I just couldn't pinpoint the area of the battle where everybody (elves and uruk hai) would cease battle to watch the three heroes take on the primary antagonist.
Re: Two Towers, The: Ugluk (Nathaniel Lees)
April 03, 2009 02:11AM
Actually the elves, Rohannians and Uruk-Hai stop killing each other to watch the epic battle was a joke. Odds are they probably were still killing each other. I was just making a pun at the epicness of the final duel.
Re: Two Towers, The: Ugluk (Nathaniel Lees)
April 08, 2009 01:28AM
:blush: Oh crap! Old Bluffer is it okay if I rewrite this death and you repost it? I just rented the Extended Edition yesterday on Netflix and this death scene is very incorrect. It's okay up to probably the third or fourth paragraph, I got my events mixed up.

After Ugluk kills Haldir he does face off against Aragorn, Gimli and Legolas. Actually it ends in a standstill of sorts (keeping the Blaze o' Glory) and Legolas does still puncture him with a few arrows. Then another Uruk who got his helmet knocked off during the battle tries to aid his commander. Ugluk knocks down Gimli and almost hacks him in two but Aragorn stabs Ugluk right in between the shoulder blades. Ugluk then tackles Aragorn right off the wall and the two continue their fistfight down there. Meanwhile the aforementioned Uruk is the guy who nearly offs Legolas and Gimli hacks with his stomach. I got them mixed up because he bears a striking resemblance to Ugluk but they can be distinguished since he's bald on the top whilst Ugluk has a full head of hair. Just as Ugluk has Aragorn pinned and he's about to get rid of ol' Viggo the part where Gandalf and Eomer arrive with thousands of elves begins. The Uruk-Hai begin trying to flee but Ugluk abandons Aragorn who hops on his horse, does away with a fleeing Uruk and tries to halt the charging Elves but fails. Then Sam's speech to Frodo begins when the Uruk-Hai begin getting their asses handed to them on a silver platter. Ugluk tries to get onto a horse with a dead rider in its saddle (it's hard to see but can be seen) before Gimli charges by on his own horse and slams his axe into the back of Ugluk's head. Ugluk then falls off and some Uruk (presumably his second-in-command) realizes their fearsome leader is dead and orders everyone to flee. Then as they flee into Fangorn Forest they get offed by various Ents.

I apologize for mistakening Ugluk's death scene. If OB or Mr. Mouseburger could kindly rewrite the death scene it would be deeply appreciated. The first 3 paragraphs and the categories should be kept along with the listing at the top since Gimli still kills him and does so with an axe.
Re: Two Towers, The: Ugluk (Nathaniel Lees)
April 11, 2009 08:44PM
Wow three posts in a row! Anyway OB I just realized that we should probably remove the Blaze of Glory. In cinema, a Blaze of Glory is going up against a force larger than yourself even though the odds are obviously stacked in the enemy's favor. Normally this is generally reserved for one guy valiantly going up against an army of sorts and perishing but taking a helluva lot of those bastards with him. Think about: Tony Montana, Boromir etc. Ugluk isn't necessarily the case for 2 important reasons: 1. The odds are stacked in his favor: he's leading the 10,000 Uruk-Hai against 2,000 Rohirrim (although the eventual reinforcements do eventually get rid of him) and 2. It's not a short career as you put it rather we only see a limited time of his probable elongated bloody warfare. Also a Blaze o' Glory is generally reserved for the goodies but Ugluk is one of the film's main antagonists along with Saruman and the Witch-King of Angmar (Gollum is generally a good guy in The Two Towers). Also I'm pretty sure that him offing more than his fair share of Rohirrim and Elves isn't a Blaze of Glory but rather just showing how dangerous this guy is and setting up the epic duel against Aragorn, Gimli and Legolas which he does win to an extent (he almost kills all 3 before Eomer and his Elves arrive). A Blaze of Glory is not at all like this. Also let's compare him to the aforementioned Witch-King's death in RoTK. That bastard manages to kill the leader of the Rohirrim and almost kills the warrior princess Eowyn but I don't see know silver badge insignia. I'm not going to force you to exempt it but I would suggest reconsidering.
Re: Two Towers, The: Ugluk (Nathaniel Lees)
June 07, 2009 04:25PM
I have watched the extended Helm's Deep battle many times, and have never seen Ugluk getting killed, am I just blind or is it really hard to spot or something?
timrobinson
Re: Two Towers, The: Ugluk (Nathaniel Lees)
June 10, 2009 01:31PM
Are you sure the Uruk on top of the rock is ugluk, doesnt he die at fangorn?
moggoth
Re: Two Towers, The: Ugluk (Nathaniel Lees)
June 10, 2009 03:19PM
Perhaps Flashpenny or anyone else for that matter, could post some pictures of ugluk fighting with aragorn, gimli...etc, it would be much obliged.
No such event in the special extended version, I just watched it.
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