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Two Towers, The: Ugluk (Nathaniel Lees)

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Two Towers, The: Ugluk (Nathaniel Lees)
March 04, 2009 01:57AM
Re: Two Towers, The: Ugluk (Nathaniel Lees)
March 04, 2009 01:59AM
I've awarded a Blaze of Glory to this death, as Ugluk achieves a remarkable amount in his short career, and holds his own against three of the mightiest warriors in Middle Earth.
Thanks for adding the "Blaze of Glory" category. Since it's obvious that you're obviously one of the people who own this sight (how else is it that your name appears on just about every death) do you think you could also add "Not Quite Dead..." since I forgot to do so. Think about it he survived the explosion of Helm's Deep's wall at point-blank range, got stabbed in between the shoulder blades with a knife thrown by an Elven warrior and got shot repeatedly with arrows by Legolas before dying at the hands of Gimli.
Re: Two Towers, The: Ugluk (Nathaniel Lees)
March 04, 2009 10:23PM
Cheers Tom. I'm not sure his death is in the spirit of "Not quite dead" though, as that is more intended for characters that we're supposed to think are dead, but then resume their attack. Have a read of the description to see what I mean.

By the way, no detective work is needed to know I help run the site, it's in the FAQ smiling smiley
I'm just pointing out that Ugluk could qualify for a Major Baddy since if he has enough guts to continue fighting even when he is hopelessly outnumbered and hopelessly outmatched, surely he has enough guts to stand up to a crusty, old wizard like Saruman. I do agree that Saruman is just using his superior intelligence to manipulate Ugluk.

Also I think that Ugluk could qualify for some more deaths that didn't get added in. The ones I'm thinking of specifically are Grab Bag (Gimli's final grabbing of his axe seems to qualify); exsanguination (did you see how much blood was pouring out of that stomach wound?); stabbed (Aragorn does manage to embed a knife in between Ugluk's shoulder blades); and explosion (he was caught in the explosion of Helm's Deep's wall at point-blank range). As I noticed from other reviews the author(s) add categories of a death that the soon-to-be-dead character endures but survives and the knife wound and explosion seem to do so.

P.S. I'm Tom Walsh and I've just got a screen name in case you haven't noticed.
Re: Two Towers, The: Ugluk (Nathaniel Lees)
March 05, 2009 04:39AM
It's odd, I don't recall this death in the movie at all??:confused:

I've the theatrical version. Is this scene in the Extended Edition or something?
Re: Two Towers, The: Ugluk (Nathaniel Lees)
March 05, 2009 09:56AM
Tom, if you register on the forum you can rate the deaths, which would help us a lot (as nobody seems inclined to bother).
Grab Bag doesn't apply, as he's just reaching for his own weapon, which he knows is there somewhere. Have a read of the category description to see the type of cliche we are talking about.
Exsanguination doesn't apply, mainly because of the time involved. Again, check out the category description.
Explosion would apply if it happened relatively near to the time of his death, but I don't remember if it does. If Ugluk doesn't reasonably have time to wander back to the Ork Infirmary and rest up for a goodly while then I'm happy to add the category.
I'll also add "stabbed" if you're sure Aragorn gives him a bit of a knifing.

We do realise many of our categories are completely arbitrary by the way, but we have to keep some kind of consistency otherwise they become pointless smiling smiley.
Ugluk does appear at the Battle of Helm's Deep in the theatrical version (he can be clearly seen at the beginning when he roars on top of a boulder and later when he slays Haldir). However his final fate is similar to Lieutenant Gothmog's from The Return of the King: in the theatrical version he is only assumed to have been killed as he isn't seen amongst the fleeing forces. Actually in the theatrical version he does go onto the wall to face against Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli but the camera cuts to the rest of the battle before the audience can see it fully. The only part they see is Ugluk plummeting to his final, muddy grave surrouding Helm's Deep. In the Extended Version we do however see what is, in my opinion, probably the most epic duel in the Lord of the Rings film trilogy.
Re: Two Towers, The: Ugluk (Nathaniel Lees)
March 06, 2009 02:27AM
Thanks for the feedback. Sounds like I need to get my hands on that extended edition then!

I've seen Gothmog's before since he was brought up. He was another case scenario where I figured he perished but upon buying the extend ROTK, his fate was viewed otherwise.
Re: Two Towers, The: Ugluk (Nathaniel Lees)
March 06, 2009 10:39AM
The extended edition of the Two Towers is essential, far more so than the Fellowship. The restored Ent scenes in particular are very important to understand how Isengard fell.

I wonder if Peter Jackson has still more scenes to add, possibly in a money-grabbing Blu-Ray special edition boxed set? I'm thinking each film could be over five hours long in a few years...
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